Topic: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (1 of 17), Read 44 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 05:05 PM


In all the years using VEDIT I wrote (and collected) many macro and I
am publishiing them on my VEDIT-Fan-Page:
http://ziemski.privat.t-online.de/vedit

Since yesterday I had listed them in a looong table.
Due to it's pure length that solution became really uncomfortable
in usage IMHO.

So I decided to create a new layout for the macro lists.

It's now organized in categories and sub-categories like a tree.

The order and the assignment of the macros to a category and the
category-names may not be finished yet, but it's nearly as accurate as
in the old version ;-)


To be able to maintain that bunch of files I wrote a new version of
the earlier used macro XLIST-MC.VDM.

With it's help it's really easy!

I have a simple formated text file with the data (frame texts,
filenames, desciptions, categories etc.) and let the macro check all
entries against my macro directory on disk.
So the list is always up to date.

Then the macro generates the complete HTML pages inclusive the
navigation links.

For easy maintenance of the list you can use F12 to open the file
under the cursor in VEDIT too.
F11 re-runs the macro and so re-generates the HTML files.


The new xlist-mc2.vdm and my index.txt can be found here:
http://ziemski.privat.t-online.de/vedit/macros/tools.html#xlist

That macro is still under development (for more features) but is
running well enough to announce it here.

It may be useful not only for macro listings ...


Christian

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (2 of 17), Read 31 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Ted Green
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 06:13 PM

At 05:06 PM 6/2/2004, you wrote:
>In all the years using VEDIT I wrote (and collected) many macro and I
>am publishiing them on my VEDIT-Fan-Page:
> http://ziemski.privat.t-online.de/vedit

It is most impressive !!!
Thank you for all your support, work and assistance.

>To be able to maintain that bunch of files I wrote a new version of
>the earlier used macro XLIST-MC.VDM.

To create a macro which generates the VEDIT macro library website is impressive * 10**12 !!!

Ted.


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Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (3 of 17), Read 30 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Thursday, June 03, 2004 02:53 PM

On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:13:00 -0400, Ted Green wrote:

>To create a macro which generates the VEDIT macro library website is impressive
>* 10**12 !!!

Thank you for the kind words!

Christian

 


Topic: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (4 of 17), Read 25 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Monday, June 07, 2004 07:41 AM

On 6/2/2004 5:05:55 PM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>
>In all the years using VEDIT I
>wrote (and collected) many
>macro and I
>am publishiing them on my
>VEDIT-Fan-Page:
>http://ziemski.privat.t-online
>.de/vedit


>It's now organized in
>categories and sub-categories
>like a tree.

Christian:

I was sure glad to see that you have classified your impressive collection of Vedit macros into categories.

Do I have the option of downloading an entire category of macros instead of a single one?

Looking forward to hearing from you.

-peter.

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (5 of 17), Read 24 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Monday, June 07, 2004 12:03 PM

On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:41:00 -0400, Peter Rejto wrote:

>Do I have the option of downloading an entire category of macros instead of a
>single one?

No, that's not possible.
And it's not on my to-do list (huge enough...).

Christian

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (6 of 17), Read 25 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Monday, June 07, 2004 05:34 PM

I added full index
- by name and
- by date-of-last-modification

So it's easier to see changes and to find macros with known name.

Christian

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (9 of 17), Read 25 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 08:13 AM

On 6/7/2004 5:34:45 PM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>I added full index
> - by name and
>- by date-of-last-modification
>
>So it's easier to see changes
>and to find macros with known
>name.
>

Thanks Christian:

I have a related question: I would like to have the exact reference to your old,

cont-help.vdm.

At the same time, I would like to embedd your recent classification into this reference! Even better,
could you please replace the old e-mail address in the macro by the present website address.

Incidentally, I find this very old macro of yours to be very adaptable and very useful. A big thank you for it!

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (11 of 17), Read 29 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:03 PM

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:13:00 -0400, Peter Rejto wrote:

>I have a related question: I would like to have the exact reference
>to your old cont-help.vdm.

For this and other searches I implemented the index!

There you can find the macro and see it's address and it's category.
In this case the address is:
http://ziemski.privat.t-online.de/vedit/macros/cont-hlp.vdm

>Even better, could you please replace the old e-mail address in the
>macro by the present website address.

I removed the mail address from the few remaining macros now,
due to Spam. :-(
(Not spam from VEDIT users of course, but since the macros can be
found by spiders...)

Sorry, but I won't put in the website address into all the macros.
The address may change here and there.
(Hmm, I fear it will change: I reached my quotas :-( )


Peter, can you imagine how much work it is to maintain those many
macros? So I have to be restrictive at least sometimes.


Christian

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (12 of 17), Read 32 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 03:40 PM

PS:

>On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:13:00 -0400, Peter Rejto wrote:
>
>>I have a related question: I would like to have the exact reference
>>to your old cont-help.vdm.
>
>For this and other searches I implemented the index!
>
>There you can find the macro and see it's address and it's category.
>In this case the address is:
>http://ziemski.privat.t-online.de/vedit/macros/cont-hlp.vdm

An additional remark for clarification:

All macros are in the same directory.
The categorization is only a logical one on the web pages!

So all macros are having the same address.

Note:
Since the site is hosted on an UNIX server, the filenames are case-sensitive!
(I plan to change all macro names to lower case in the next days.)

Christian

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (14 of 17), Read 30 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 06:25 PM

On 6/8/2004 12:03:35 PM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:13:00 -0400,
>Peter Rejto wrote:

Thanks Christian:

>>Even better, could you please replace the old e-mail address in the
>>macro by the present website address.


>Sorry, but I won't put in the website
>address into all the macros.
>The address may change here and there.
>(Hmm, I fear it will change: I reached
>my quotas :-( )

So, I shall use the generic address,

www.google.com/~vedit/~ziemski

I do not quite know how to formalize it, but I bet that everybody understands it. In fact, this is my usual way of visiting your webpage

(This is certainly a nice solution to a time dependent problem.)


>Peter, can you imagine how much work it
>is to maintain those many
>macros? So I have to be restrictive at
>least sometimes.

Gee, I did not know that this is a task for which you do not have a macro.

Thanks,

-peter.

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (7 of 17), Read 24 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Ian Binnie
Date: Monday, June 07, 2004 08:57 PM

On 6/7/2004 12:03:40 PM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:41:00 -0400,
>Peter Rejto wrote:
>
>>Do I have the option of downloading an entire category of macros instead of a
>>single one?
>
>No, that's not possible.
>And it's not on my to-do list

There is a round about way to do this.

In IE Bookmark the page, tick make available off line and download linked pages to depth of 1.

This will download files, and you can copy them from the Temporary Internet Files directory.

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (8 of 17), Read 28 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 08:03 AM

On 6/7/2004 8:57:32 PM, Ian Binnie wrote:
>On 6/7/2004 12:03:40 PM, Christian
>Ziemski wrote:
>>On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:41:00 -0400,
>>Peter Rejto wrote:
>>
>>>Do I have the option of downloading an entire category of macros instead of a
>>>single one?
>>
>>No, that's not possible.
>>And it's not on my to-do list
>
>There is a round about way to do this.
>
>In IE Bookmark the page, tick make
>available off line and download linked
>pages to depth of 1.
>
>This will download files, and you can
>copy them from the Temporary Internet
>Files directory.

Thanks Ian,

Let me ask a less ambitious question:

Do I have the option of preserving Christian's recent classification during the downloading his macros?

I have not tried it. However, this is the way I am thinking about it. I already have a Ziemski directory on my Unix machine that I use for downloading. First, I would create subdirectories using Christian's category labels.
(Incidentally, I would appreciate your giving me instructions about finding them.) Second, I would use the Netscape filter to download into such a subdirectory. Oops, you are not a Netscape user, so this may not make sense to you. Third, I Hope that doing this I have reduced my problem to a previously solved one. Wishful thinking.?

I just noted that you talk about "..download files .."
d Does your browser allow you to download several files at once? Or may be a partial automation of this process?


Thanks again,

-peter.

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (10 of 17), Read 30 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 09:21 AM

On 6/8/2004 8:03:49 AM, Peter Rejto wrote:

>Do I have the option of preserving Christian's recent
>classification during the downloading his macros?

Peter:

That may not be a good idea.
My classifications are always subject to change!

I'm writing new macros, deleting old or outdated ones, changing existing ones and sorting them in another or a new category, whatever seems to fit best.

That exactly is the reason why I created a macro to generate those pages automatically!
I simply have to edit the definition file and let it run.

Christian

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (13 of 17), Read 29 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 05:38 PM

On 6/8/2004 9:21:32 AM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>On 6/8/2004 8:03:49 AM, Peter Rejto
>wrote:
>
>>Do I have the option of preserving Christian's recent
>>classification during the downloading his macros?
>
>Peter:
>
>That may not be a good idea.
>My classifications are always subject to
>change!
>
>I'm writing new macros, deleting old or
>outdated ones, changing existing ones
>and sorting them in another or a new
>category, whatever seems to fit best.
>
>That exactly is the reason why I created
>a macro to generate those pages
>automatically!
>I simply have to edit the definition
>file and let it run.

Christian:

In the meantime I have also realized that preserving the classification during the download is a side issue. At the same time, I thought that running the macros from within Vedit I should see the same categories as the ones I see on your website. Certainly, I can achieve that by using the command:

{Misc}{Load exec user macro}, provided that the subdirectories of my

|(HOME) |(USER-MAC) ZIEMSKI

directory are labelled by your categories.

Now, I see that choosing categories is a delicate job and you wish to have some flexibility. So, manual labelling is not a realistic solution.

May be a more realistic question would be, to translate your tree definition into a directory tree? (Since I did not have time to study your classification scheme all my reactions are preliminary.)

Thanks for explaining all this to me. May be, after thinking that much about the most general case, I shall opt for the other extreme case. That is to say, of the very special case of simply cutting my Ziemski directory into two.
After all that is a classification too.


-peter.

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (17 of 17), Read 32 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 11:41 AM

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:38:00 -0400, Peter Rejto wrote:

>At the same time, I thought that running the macros from within Vedit
>I should see the same categories as the ones I see on
>your website. Certainly, I can achieve that by using the command:
>
>{Misc}{Load exec user macro}, provided that the subdirectories of my
>
>|(HOME) |(USER-MAC) ZIEMSKI
>
>directory are labelled by your categories.
>
>May be a more realistic question would be, to translate your tree
>definition into a directory tree?

You can do this manually of course on your disk...

The macro directory on the server is almost a mirror of the
directory C:\VEDIT\USER-MAC on my disk.

And there are no subdirectories for some sort of category.
Subdirectories would prevent macros from beeing called without path!
So I never will have subdirectories here.


>>[maintaing many macros]
>Gee, I did not know that this is a task for which you do not have a macro.

You see; I have, but it's not perfect yet ;-)

I'm using my maintaining macro XLIST-MC2.VDM to list, document and
"categorize" all the macros on my own PC for own use(!)
and in parallel to fill my website with life.

The new version of the macro is additionally able to delete a file
(besides showing/editing it in VEDIT or showing it in a browser).
So it grows up step by step.

When VEDIT will have the FTP support that will be also included to be
able to upload/synchronize the macros and HTML files to/with the
webserver.


Christian

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (15 of 17), Read 29 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Ian Binnie
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 11:35 PM

On 6/8/2004 8:03:49 AM, Peter Rejto wrote:
>On 6/7/2004 8:57:32 PM, Ian Binnie
>wrote:
>>On 6/7/2004 12:03:40 PM, Christian
>>Ziemski wrote:
>>>On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:41:00 -0400,
>>>Peter Rejto wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do I have the option of downloading an entire category of macros instead of a
>>>>single one?
>>>
>>>No, that's not possible.
>>>And it's not on my to-do list
>>
>>There is a round about way to do this.
>>
>>In IE Bookmark the page, tick make
>>available off line and download linked
>>pages to depth of 1.
>>
>>This will download files, and you can
>>copy them from the Temporary Internet
>>Files directory.
>
>Thanks Ian,
>
>Let me ask a less ambitious question:
>
>Do I have the option of preserving
>Christian's recent classification during
>the downloading his macros?

As you will see from Christian's answer elsewhere the macros are all in the same directory, the category is only in the html.

The html indexes will be downloaded also if you do this from the top level index (need to make pages to depth of 2).
You may need to rename .htm to .html for linking to work.

Depending on your cache you may need to remove [1] etc from the filenames. This is easy using ZTreeWin.

>Oops, you are not a
>Netscape user, so this may not make
>sense to you.

I normally use Mozilla, but this does not make sense in that context either. I only use IE for sites which insist, such as Microsoft Update.

>I just noted that you talk about
>"..download files .."
>d Does your browser allow you to
>download several files at once?

The IE Offline bookmark feature (about the only good thing in IE) actually automates the download of the files referenced by the html. Unfortunately it only puts them in the cache, and they disappear over time. There is a
C:\WINDOWS\Offline Web Pages\ folder which I think keeps a list of offline pages. (I must admit I can't see any there at the moment.)

It would be nice to be able to ftp to Christian's site for download. I tried once, but it would not permit anonymous connection.

 


Topic: Re: New layout for my VEDIT fanpage (16 of 17), Read 32 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Library
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 01:07 PM

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:35:00 -0400, Ian Binnie wrote:

>It would be nice to be able to ftp to Christian's site for download.

I agree. But unfortunately my hoster doesn't allow this.

Christian