Topic: Short_Pathname(r,"path") (1 of 17), Read 35 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: John H
Date: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:11 PM

Hi,

I am working on the webxref.vdm some. Neither of the two revisions
on the webboard are working for long paths for me.

EG: d:\web pages\xyz

Short_Pathname works like a charm but for VEDIT-DOS this is
apparently not a valid command. ? I didn't see any mention it
was a windows only command in the errata, whats new, etc.

Am I missing something?

--
John
VEDIT SN: 95651
VEDIT (DOS) Ver. 6.12.1 05/04/04
VEDIT (32-Bit) Ver. 6.12.1 05/04/04
VEDIT Pro (64-Bit) Beta Test Ver. 6.12.1 05/04/04
Windows 2000 (5.0.2195 Service Pack 4)

 


Topic: Re: Short_Pathname(r,"path") (2 of 17), Read 26 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Ted Green
Date: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 11:33 PM

At 11:11 PM 5/5/2004, you wrote:
>I am working on the webxref.vdm some. Neither of the two revisions
>on the webboard are working for long paths for me.
>
>EG: d:\web pages\xyz

I have not tested webxref on pathnames with spaces since I never use spaces in pathnames, especially since Unix/Linus doesn't support it.

>Short_Pathname works like a charm but for VEDIT-DOS this is
>apparently not a valid command. ? I didn't see any mention it
>was a windows only command in the errata, whats new, etc.

The DOS version does not work properly under Windows 2000/XP, is completely(!) unsupported by us and certainly won't work with long pathnames.

Ted.


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Topic: Short_Pathname(r,"path") (3 of 17), Read 26 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: John H
Date: Thursday, May 06, 2004 01:25 AM

On Wed, 5 May 2004 23:34:30 -0400 GMT, Ted Green wrote:

> The DOS version does not work properly under Windows 2000/XP,
> is completely(!) unsupported by us and certainly won't work with
> long pathnames.

I realize there are problems in that environment. I am talking about
in 95/98/DOS partitions. My posts generally are from a W2K
installation.

Irrelevant anyhow, it's the apparent absence of the command that I
was referring to.

--
John

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (4 of 17), Read 24 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Thursday, May 06, 2004 02:56 AM

On 5/5/2004 11:11:12 PM, John H wrote:
>I am working on the webxref.vdm some. Neither of
>the two revisions on the webboard are working
>for long paths for me.
>
>EG: d:\web pages\xyz

Just for testing I created a directory with spaces on my disk.

Your WEBXREF_03.VDM works fine with it...

Christian

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (5 of 17), Read 24 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: John H
Date: Thursday, May 06, 2004 03:27 AM

On Thu, 6 May 2004 02:56:59 -0400 GMT, Christian Ziemski wrote:

> Just for testing I created a directory with spaces on my disk.

> Your WEBXREF_03.VDM works fine with it...

I'm assuming you mean with the windows version? Personally I don't
generate directories with spaces on purpose. MS just created a mess
when they started the "My yak yak" movement. Seems all sorts of
things want to use My Pictures, My Web Pages, My this that and the
other. Some time or another I got tired of fighting with windows and
some other programs that favor those directories..

--
John

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (6 of 17), Read 23 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Thursday, May 06, 2004 05:32 AM

On 5/6/2004 3:27:38 AM, John H wrote:
>On Thu, 6 May 2004 02:56:59 -0400 GMT,
>Christian Ziemski wrote:
>
>> Just for testing I created a directory with spaces on my disk.
>
>> Your WEBXREF_03.VDM works fine with it...
>
>I'm assuming you mean with the windows version?

Yes.
Ted already answered in another thread that the DOS version isn't supported anymore. And that it has no long filename support under W2k.

>Personally I don't generate directories with spaces on purpose.

Me too. It was just for testing for you.


>MS just created a mess when they started the "My yak yak"
>movement. Seems all sorts of things want to use My Pictures, My Web
>Pages, My this that and the other.

Full agreed.

>Some time or another I got tired of fighting with windows and some other programs that favor those
>directories..

Me too!!!!

Christian - end of AOL-mode now.

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (7 of 17), Read 25 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Ian Binnie
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 03:35 AM

On 5/6/2004 5:32:55 AM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>>MS just created a mess when they started the "My yak yak"
>>movement. Seems all sorts of things want to use My Pictures, My Web
>>Pages, My this that and the other.
>
>
>>Some time or another I got tired of fighting with windows and some other programs that favor those
>>directories..
>
>Me too!!!!
>
>Christian - end of AOL-mode now.
>

You don't have to use these. You can map these to real directories, and/or at the same time put them on a separate data partition, rather in the middle of the system drive.

 


Topic: Re: Short_Pathname(r, (8 of 17), Read 24 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Ted Green
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 10:42 AM

At 03:36 AM 5/7/2004, you wrote:
>On 5/6/2004 5:32:55 AM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>>>MS just created a mess when they started the "My yak yak"
>>>movement. Seems all sorts of things want to use My Pictures, My Web
>>>Pages, My this that and the other.
>>
>>>Some time or another I got tired of fighting with windows and some other
>>>programs that favor those directories..
>
>You don't have to use these. You can map these to real directories, and/or at the same time put them on a separate data partition, rather in the middle of the system drive.

Since I mostly work from a DOS/NT prompt, I hate having to double-quote things like:

cd "program files"

Fortunately there are several ways around this:

cd prog*

Or:

cd progra~1

The "My documents" folder can be changed, as Ian mentioned. In our company it is usually set to a network drive so that we can all more easily share documents.

Ted.

 


Topic: Re: Short_Pathname(r, (9 of 17), Read 27 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Christian Ziemski
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 12:32 PM

On Fri, 07 May 2004 10:42:00 -0400, Ted Green wrote:

>Since I mostly work from a DOS/NT prompt, I hate having to double-quote things
>like:
>
> cd "program files"
>
>Fortunately there are several ways around this:
>
> cd prog*
>
>Or:
>
> cd progra~1

Or:

Use automatic completion, e.g. via TAB key.
That will additionally set double quotes automatically if necessary.

If that feature isn't yet enabled in your Windows:
These are example sites with a discription
(Only a simple Registry entry!)

http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/826/
and related:
http://www.winguides.com/registry/display.php/3/


Christian

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (11 of 17), Read 30 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: John H
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 03:28 PM

On Fri, 7 May 2004 12:33:24 -0400 GMT, Christian Ziemski wrote:

> Use automatic completion, e.g. via TAB key.
> That will additionally set double quotes automatically if necessary.

> If that feature isn't yet enabled in your Windows:
> These are example sites with a discription
> (Only a simple Registry entry!)

That's pretty nice. I had "@" (ascii 64) for that key already there
in the local machine branch. Curr. user was empty though.

I changed it, hopefully I won't begin to see some problems having
changed the "@" though. Have no idea what/why that was set.

--
John

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (10 of 17), Read 25 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: John H
Date: Friday, May 07, 2004 03:13 PM

On Fri, 7 May 2004 10:42:32 -0400 GMT, Ted Green wrote:

> Since I mostly work from a DOS/NT prompt, I hate having to double-quote things like:

> cd "program files"

> Fortunately there are several ways around this:

> cd prog*

This's a nice one. I had never tried/known of that. I guess that
would be limited though..

EG: "program files" / progra~1 vs "programming files" / progra~2

> Or:

> cd progra~1

> The "My documents" folder can be changed, as Ian mentioned. In
> our company it is usually set to a network drive so that we can
> all more easily share documents.

Yes I knew these 'resource directories' or whatever could be moved and
changed. For me it just was more a headache so I just refrain from
using them for the most part.

--
John

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (12 of 17), Read 19 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 09:11 PM

On 5/5/2004 11:11:12 PM, John H wrote:

>--
>John
>VEDIT SN: 95651
>VEDIT (DOS) Ver. 6.12.1
>05/04/04
>VEDIT (32-Bit) Ver. 6.12.1
>05/04/04
>VEDIT Pro (64-Bit) Beta Test
>Ver. 6.12.1 05/04/04
>Windows 2000 (5.0.2195 Service
>Pack 4)

John,

I am reading your parameters above and I would like to ask a question about one of them. Specifically, I would like to ask you about

VEDIT (DOS) Ver. 6.12.1.

Where did you find this program? The Pre-release Vedit 6.12 available message in this thread does refer to a Bugfix in the DOS version. However, I was unable to find this version.

Looking forward to hearing from you,

-peter.

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (13 of 17), Read 21 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: John H
Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 09:17 PM

On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:11:58 -0400 GMT, Peter Rejto wrote:

>>VEDIT (DOS) Ver. 6.12.1 05/04/04

> I am reading your parameters above and I would like to ask a
> question about one of them. Specifically, I would like to ask you
> about

> VEDIT (DOS) Ver. 6.12.1.

> Where did you find this program? The Pre-release Vedit 6.12
> available message in this thread does refer to a Bugfix in the DOS
> version. However, I was unable to find this version.

Hi Peter, that version was included with the Vedit beta
distribution. Actually there is now a DOS version 6.12.1 dated
05/07/04 available in the latest beta64 package.

As far as I know the updated DOS version isn't available separately.

--
John

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (14 of 17), Read 18 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 04:47 PM

On 5/18/2004 9:17:21 PM, John H wrote:
>On Tue, 18 May 2004 21:11:58 -0400 GMT,
>Peter Rejto wrote:
>
>>>VEDIT (DOS) Ver. 6.12.1 05/04/04
>
>> I am reading your parameters above and I would like to ask a
>> question about one of them. Specifically, I would like to ask you
>> about
>
>> VEDIT (DOS) Ver. 6.12.1.
>
>> Where did you find this program? The Pre-release Vedit 6.12
>> available message in this thread does refer to a Bugfix in the DOS
>> version. However, I was unable to find this version.
>
>Hi Peter, that version was included with
>the Vedit beta
>distribution. Actually there is now a
>DOS version 6.12.1 dated
>05/07/04 available in the latest beta64
>package.
>
>As far as I know the updated DOS version
>isn't available separately.


Thanks John,

I have been away from my computer for two weeks and I have missed this package. I have downloaded it and found the DOS Version 6.12.1 dated 05/07/04.

You really helped me out. Thanks again,

-peter.

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (15 of 17), Read 16 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2004 06:10 PM

On 5/18/2004 9:17:21 PM, John H wrote:

>Hi Peter, that version was included with
>the Vedit beta
>distribution. Actually there is now a
>DOS version 6.12.1 dated
>05/07/04 available in the latest beta64
>package.
>
>As far as I know the updated DOS version
>isn't available separately.

John:

1. I did read the readmedos.txt file which came with the package. This file refers to Appendix C for additional information on VSWAP.EXE. This is a superb appendix and I would like to alert you that it is in the Version 5 user manual.

2. I prepared a boot-up floppy and did put VEDIT_6.12.1.EXE on it. It works fine. That is to say I can edit the entire disk. Of course I am not interested in doing that. I just do not have the background!! However, I am very interested in reading my hard drive ! I could not use the Open Dos Partition Command or any other command in this group for my hard drive. However I could use it for my floppy.

3. I can not use the program in a DOS window of my Win98-SEsystem. The program starts up normally. However, when I try to shell out to DOS I get the error message, "NOT ENOUGH MEMORY". The same if I try to exit. This is a disappointment, since the manual says that the program works well with Win98. I have a hunch that I am overlooking something very simple.

I would appreciate learning about your experience.

-peter.

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (16 of 17), Read 14 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: John H
Date: Sunday, May 23, 2004 08:51 PM

On Sun, 23 May 2004 18:10:47 -0400 GMT, Peter Rejto wrote:

> 2. I prepared a boot-up floppy and did put VEDIT_6.12.1.EXE on
> it. It works fine. That is to say I can edit the entire disk. Of
> course I am not interested in doing that. I just do not have the
> background!! However, I am very interested in reading my hard
> drive ! I could not use the Open Dos Partition Command or any
> other command in this group for my hard drive. However I could use
> it for my floppy.

I have not tried a floppy resident copy of vedit.exe as I have it on
my hard drive already, and have no need to edit any other drive.

Perhaps entering command mode and using the chdir() command would
help.

> 3. I can not use the program in a DOS window of my
> Win98-SEsystem. The program starts up normally. However, when I
> try to shell out to DOS I get the error message, "NOT ENOUGH
> MEMORY". The same if I try to exit. This is a disappointment,
> since the manual says that the program works well with Win98. I
> have a hunch that I am overlooking something very simple.

I have no problems using vedit.exe from the GUI of win98 or 95.
Frankly if you're thinking of working with the hard drive I'd not
load the GUI at all.

Off hand it sounds like your system is loading stuff in it's
config.sys and/or autoexec.bat files before the GUI loads. This can
certainly reduce the memory available to a dos session.

It sounds like you're trying to do forensics on your hard drive
since you've admitted that you have not the background to edit a
floppy. If all you want to do is search the bits on your drive you
might want to consider a windows tool which can do that. Much of
what you'll see in vedit won't be useful anyhow. Much is encoded in
various ways and really wouldn't reveal anything visually familiar
in vedit -- then again much isn't encoded.. :-) At any rate, there
are windows tools which can better present some data than vedit if
forensics is what you're after.

Anyhow, the lack of memory issue I'd guess is just due to drivers or
other trash that is loading before windows. 99% of the time on many
systems that stuff is literally useless to windows and only of any
use if you 'Exit to DOS' from windows.

And finally, I have no clue why you're trying to shell to DOS from
vedit.. Are you using/trying a DOS based compiler? I've not tried
any of my older DOS compilers so I am not aware if that would be
problematic for my W9x environments or not.

--
John

 


Topic: Short_Pathname(r, (17 of 17), Read 13 times
Conf: VEDIT Macro Language Support
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 08:11 PM

Thanks John,

Your message indicated that my problem is installation specific. Indeed, I went back to an old suggestion of Pauli Lindgren and reinstalled the program in a new directory. This did the trick!

Pauli made his suggestion in Conference 31 of this board,
I believe at,
webboard..../read?1641,31.html.
So, I gave a more detailed description of my installation experiments, there.

I learned quite a bit from these experiments. Thanks again for your input, which made it possible.

-peter.