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Topic:	Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (1 of 19), Read 51 times
Conf:	VEDIT Sales and Info
From:	Ted Green
Date:	Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:04 AM

Now that VEDIT 6.15.2 is released, I am working on both 6.16 and 6.20.
For 6.20 I would like to add some new /vedit/directories to reduce the number of files in /vedit and organize things better.
In particular I would like to put the (computer) language specific files into a subdirectory. I am all ears to your suggestions; I don't know how much longer I will create a DOS version (6.15 might be the last one), but would still prefer subdirectories with no more than 8 letters.

So maybe:

/vedit/language or /vedit/lang or /vedit/complang

/vedit/extras for things like the .tbl and .mnu files
/vedit/doco or /vedit/help for the .pdf and .hlp files

Perhaps we need a directory for macro support data files.

Thanks.

Ted.

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (2 of 19), Read 33 times
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From:	Christian Ziemski
Date:	Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 PM

On 09.02.2008 06:05 vedit-info Listmanager wrote:
> From: "Ted Green"
>
> For 6.20 I would like to add some new /vedit/directories to reduce the number
> of files in /vedit and organize things better.
> In particular I would like to put the (computer) language specific files
> into a subdirectory. I am all ears to your suggestions;

Here's my thinking:

/vedit/help
*.txt
*.pdf
*.hlp

/vedit/syntax
*.syn

/vedit/tbl-cfg
*.tbl

then moving all possible *.vdm form /vedit to /vedit/macros

/vedit/ebcdic
all still in /vedit remaining EBCDIC-package-only files

Christian

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (3 of 19), Read 32 times
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From:	Ted Green
Date:	Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:35 PM

At 12:03 PM 2/9/2008, you wrote:
>From: "Christian Ziemski"
>
>Here's my thinking:
>
>/vedit/help
> *.txt
> *.pdf
> *.hlp
>
>/vedit/syntax
> *.syn
>
>/vedit/tbl-cfg
> *.tbl
>
>then moving all possible *.vdm form /vedit to /vedit/macros
>
>/vedit/ebcdic
> all still in /vedit remaining EBCDIC-package-only files

Sounds pretty good. There aren't very many .tbl files, so I am not sure about a separate directory for that. So maybe:

/vedit/help
*.txt
*.pdf
*.hlp

/vedit/syntax
*.syn
*.vtm

/vedit/custom
*.tbl
*.mnu

/vedit/ebcdic
all EBCDIC conversion related files

/vedit/extra
macros can save files in here

I am still all ears for more suggestions.

Ted.

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (4 of 19), Read 34 times
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From:	Pauli Lindgren
Date:	Monday, February 11, 2008 04:47 AM

On 2/9/2008 12:35:33 PM, Ted Green wrote:
>
>Sounds pretty good. There aren't very many .tbl files,
>so I am not sure about a separate directory for that.

Yes, I think it is not good idea to create too many sub directories. Then Vedit directory would be cluttered by directories instead of files.

>
>/vedit/custom
> *.tbl
> *.mnu

Maybe *.key files should be put here, too.
Keyboard and menu are usually dependent of each other.

>
>/vedit/ebcdic
>all EBCDIC conversion related files

I assume this directory would only exist if you have installed the EBCDIC conversion package?
Most users won't need it.

>
>/vedit/extra
>macros can save files in here

Yes, a place for storing .ini files and tmp files would be needed. But I don't know what would be a good name.

On the other hand, many of the settings and stored values should be stored in project specific directory (if there is a project open).

--
Pauli

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (5 of 19), Read 34 times
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From:	Christian Ziemski
Date:	Monday, February 11, 2008 05:17 AM

On 11.02.2008 10:48 vedit-info Listmanager wrote:
> From: "Pauli Lindgren"
>
> Yes, I think it is not good idea to create too many sub directories.
> Then Vedit directory would be cluttered by directories instead of files.
>
>> /vedit/custom
>> *.tbl
>> *.mnu
>
> Maybe *.key files should be put here, too.
> Keyboard and menu are usually dependent of each other.
>
>> /vedit/ebcdic
>> all EBCDIC conversion related files
>
> I assume this directory would only exist if you have installed the EBCDIC conversion package?
> Most users won't need it.

At least the EBCDIC test package is always included.

>> /vedit/extra
>> macros can save files in here
>
> Yes, a place for storing .ini files and tmp files would be needed. But I don't know what would be a good name.
>
> On the other hand, many of the settings and stored values should be stored in project specific directory (if there is a project open).

Not everyone uses projects. So both ways should be handled.
Perhaps this directory should be named /vedit/custom and the ex-custom
one /vedit/config?

/vedit/help
*.txt
*.pdf
*.hlp

/vedit/syntax
*.syn
*.vtm

Hmmm, perhaps those syntax files maybe stored in the config directory
below too? One directoy less.

/vedit/config
*.tbl
*.mnu
*.key
*.cft // moved here from /vedit/file-cfg

/vedit/ebcdic
all EBCDIC conversion related files not stored in one of the other
directories.

/vedit/custom
macros can save files in here

Christian

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (6 of 19), Read 38 times
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From:	Ted Green
Date:	Monday, February 11, 2008 10:37 AM

At 05:17 AM 2/11/2008, you wrote:
>From: "Christian Ziemski"
>At least the EBCDIC test package is always included.

It is an install option, but a default one.

>Hmmm, perhaps those syntax files maybe stored in the config directory
>below too? One directoy less.

No, there are 40+ .syn files.

>/vedit/config
> *.tbl
> *.mnu
> *.key
> *.cft // moved here from /vedit/file-cfg

How about:

/vedit/config
*.tbl
*.mnu
*.key
*.cfg

I was thinking of leaving the vedit.ini, vedit.key and vedit.cfg files in the /vedit directory so that (new) people can easily find them. But keeping the number of files in /vedit below 20.

This is great discussion!

Ted.

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (7 of 19), Read 46 times
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From:	Ian Binnie
Date:	Monday, February 11, 2008 07:19 PM

On 2/11/2008 10:37:39 AM, Ted Green wrote:
>At 05:17 AM 2/11/2008, you
>wrote:
>>From: "Christian Ziemski"

>How about:
>
>/vedit/config
> *.tbl
> *.mnu
> *.key
> *.cfg

I wouldn't object to this, provided files in user-mac work.

>I was thinking of leaving the
>vedit.ini, vedit.key and
>vedit.cfg files in the /vedit
>directory so that (new) people
>can easily find them. But
>keeping the number of files in
>/vedit below 20.

Personally I don't see the reason to introduce more directories, just to reduce the number of files in a directory.

The introduction of user-mac was a worthwhile improvement, as it removed possible macro conflicts, but I can't see any value in the current proliferation of directories.

I have 160 files in vedit - this causes me no problem.
I would rather have less directories.
(or use subdirectories if we MUST have more)

I already have unused directories; backup, ftp, temp
and only have examples (which is full of 8 year old files) and tutor because I haven't bothered to delete them yet.

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (8 of 19), Read 41 times
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From:	Christian Ziemski
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 04:42 AM

I agree not to create too many directories just under /vedit.

So my today's suggestion is:



      /vedit/

      vedit.ini

      vedit.cfg

      vedit.key

      *.exe

      *.bat

      *.pif

      *.dll

      # and little more

      

      /vedit/config/

      *.tbl

      *.mnu

      *.key

      

      /vedit/config/syntax/

      *.syn

      *.vtm

      

      /vedit/config/file-cfg/

      *.cft

      

      /vedit/help/

      *.txt

      *.pdf

      *.hlp

      

      /vedit/help/tutor

      # moved here from /vedit/tutor

      

      /vedit/help/examples

      # moved here from /vedit/examples

      

      /vedit/ebcdic/

      # all EBCDIC conversion related files not stored in one of the other directories.

      

      /vedit/custom/

      # macros can save files in here

Christian

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (9 of 19), Read 40 times
Conf:	VEDIT Sales and Info
From:	Fritz Heberlein
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 05:11 AM

> So my today's suggestion is:
>
>



      [...]

      > /vedit/config/

      >   *.tbl

      >   *.mnu

      >   *.key

      >

      > /vedit/config/syntax/

      >   *.syn

      >   *.vtm

      >

      > /vedit/config/file-cfg/

      >   *.cft

      >

      

      [...]

      

      > /vedit/custom/

      >   # macros can save files in here

      >

>

Christian, this raises two questions:

1. What will happen to the compile directory?
2. Where will be placed the the tool.mnu and user.mnu files? If they are
to be placed in the /config dir they must be protected against
overwriting by update processes (the same goes, btw, for compile.cnf).

Fritz

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (10 of 19), Read 41 times
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From:	Christian Ziemski
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 05:40 AM

On 2/12/2008 5:11:04 AM, Fritz Heberlein wrote:
>
>Christian, this raises two questions:
>
>1. What will happen to the compile directory?

Hi Fritz!

Nice to read you again!

As far as I understood this thread only changes are mentioned.
So the /vedit/compile directory remains untouched.

>2. Where will be placed the the tool.mnu and user.mnu
>files? If they are to be placed in the /config
>dir they must be protected against overwriting by update
>processes (the same goes, btw,
>for compile.cnf).

Many things to take into account...

Christian

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (11 of 19), Read 32 times
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From:	Ted Green
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:10 AM

At 04:42 AM 2/12/2008, you wrote:
>From: "Christian Ziemski"
>So my today's suggestion is:
>
>/vedit
> vedit.ini
> vedit.cfg
> vedit.key
> *.exe
> *.bat
> *.pif
> *.dll
> # and little more
>
>/vedit/config/
> *.tbl
> *.mnu
> *.key
>
>/vedit/config/syntax/
> *.syn
> *.vtm
>
>/vedit/config/file-cfg/
> *.cft
>
>/vedit/help/
> *.txt
> *.pdf
> *.hlp
>
>/vedit/help/tutor
> # moved here from /vedit/tutor
>
>/vedit/help/examples
> # moved here from /vedit/examples
>
>/vedit/ebcdic/
> # all EBCDIC conversion related files not stored in one of the other directories.
>
>/vedit/custom/
> # macros can save files in here

I like the /vedit/help/tutor and /vedit/help/examples, but am not so sure about /vedit/config/syntax.
As mentioned later, we still need

/vedit/macros
/vedit/user-mac
/vedit/compile
/vedit/projects
/vedit/backup
/vedit/temp
/vedit/ftp - or we could change this to /vedit/temp/ftp

As before, any .vdm, .syn, .vtm, .mnu, .tbl, .key files would first be searched in the /vedit/user-mac directory.

This is a very good discussion resulting in improvements to my original design. :-)
Ted.

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (12 of 19), Read 33 times
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From:	Pauli Lindgren
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:32 AM

On 2/12/2008 11:10:42 AM, Ted Green wrote:
>
>/vedit/ftp - or we could change this to
>/vedit/temp/ftp

Isn't the ftp directory for saving ftp configuration?
Then logically it should be /vedit/config/ftp.

(Then later we will need /vedit/config/http, /vedit/config/webdav etc. :-)

I think the temp directory is not used at all if you have configured VEDIT_TEMP to use some other directory. For example I have the following in vedit.ini (isn't it the default?):
VeditTempDir=%TEMP%\VeditTmp.

--
Pauli

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (13 of 19), Read 36 times
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From:	Ted Green
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:50 AM

At 11:41 AM 2/12/2008, you wrote:
>From: "Pauli Lindgren"
>
>On 2/12/2008 11:10:42 AM, Ted Green wrote:
>>
>>/vedit/ftp - or we could change this to
>>/vedit/temp/ftp
>
>Isn't the ftp directory for saving ftp configuration?
>Then logically it should be /vedit/config/ftp.

No. The /vedit/ftp directory stores the file being edited locally until it is ftp'd back to the remote computer when it is closed.

>I think the temp directory is not used at all if you have configured VEDIT_TEMP to use some other directory. For example I have the following in vedit.ini (isn't it the default?):
>VeditTempDir=%TEMP%\VeditTmp.

Good point. I will create the temp directory if needed.

Ted.

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (14 of 19), Read 33 times
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From:	Christian Ziemski
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 12:34 PM

on 12.02.2008 17:15 vedit-info Listmanager wrote:
> From: "Ted Green"
>
> At 04:42 AM 2/12/2008, you wrote:
>> From: "Christian Ziemski"
>> So my today's suggestion is:
>>
>> [...]
>> /vedit/config/syntax/
>> *.syn
>> *.vtm
>>
>> /vedit/config/file-cfg/
>> *.cft
>
> I [...] am not so sure about /vedit/config/syntax.

syntax/ and file-cfg/ both can have many files in it. And they are
config related.
Why not use a subdirectory below /vedit/config instead of below /vedit?

Why do you think it may be not so good that way? Only the search algorithm?
I'm just curious...

Christian

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (15 of 19), Read 35 times
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From:	Ted Green
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 01:01 PM

At 12:41 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote:
>syntax/ and file-cfg/ both can have many files in it. And they are
>config related.
>Why not use a subdirectory below /vedit/config instead of below /vedit?
>
>Why do you think it may be not so good that way? Only the search algorithm?
>I'm just curious...

I guess I don't think of a syntax-highlighting file as a config file.
I don't want to hide commonly "used" files in deep directories.

Ted.

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (16 of 19), Read 39 times
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From:	Christian Ziemski
Date:	Tuesday, February 12, 2008 01:29 PM

on 12.02.2008 19:04 vedit-info Listmanager wrote:
> From: "Ted Green"
>
> At 12:41 PM 2/12/2008, you wrote:
>> syntax/ and file-cfg/ both can have many files in it. And they are
>> config related.
>> Why not use a subdirectory below /vedit/config instead of below /vedit?
>>
>> Why do you think it may be not so good that way? Only the search algorithm?
>> I'm just curious...
>
> I guess I don't think of a syntax-highlighting file as a config file.
> I don't want to hide commonly "used" files in deep directories.

Ah, o.k.
Different views ;-)

Christian

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (19 of 19), Read 13 times
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From:	Peter Rejto
Date:	Friday, January 14, 2011 05:15 PM

On 2/12/2008 4:42:59 AM, Christian Ziemski wrote:
>I agree not to create too many
>directories just under /vedit.
>
>So my today's suggestion is:
>
>
>/vedit/
> vedit.ini
> vedit.cfg
> vedit.key
> *.exe
> *.bat
> *.pif
> *.dll
> # and little more
>
>/vedit/config/
> *.tbl
> *.mnu
> *.key
>/vedit/config/syntax/
> *.syn
> *.vtm
>/vedit/config/file-cfg/
> *.cft
>/vedit/help/
> *.txt
> *.pdf
> *.hlp
>/vedit/help/tutor
># moved here from /vedit/tutor
>
>/vedit/help/examples
># moved here from
>/vedit/examples
>
>/vedit/ebcdic/
># all EBCDIC conversion
>related files not stored in
>one of the other directories.
>/vedit/custom/
># macros can save files in
>here
>
>
>Christian

Hello,

I am re reading Christian's suggestions. I think that creating sub directories of existing Vedit directories has at least two advantages:

1. It does not clutter up the \vedit directory with new directories.

2. I believe that it would be easier to implement the new search algorithm. Specifically,I believe that the main change would be to add the "search sub directories " switch to the existing Vedit Search Algorithm.

-peter

Topic:	Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (17 of 19), Read 21 times
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From:	Pauli Lindgren
Date:	Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:26 AM

On 2/9/2008 12:04:34 AM, Ted Green wrote:
> Now that VEDIT 6.15.2 is
> released, I am working on both
> 6.16 and 6.20.
> For 6.20 I would like to add
> some new /vedit/directories to
> reduce the number of files in
> /vedit and organize things
> better.
> In particular I would like to
> put the (computer) language
> specific files into a
> subdirectory. I am all ears to
> your suggestions;

Has there been any development with the idea of adding new directories?

Many of my macros now save settings in an .ini file, have specific .chm files, etc. When all these are stored in USER-MAC directory, finding a specific macro becomes increasingly difficult.
Especially, if you want to use the nice feature of Windows: start typing the filename and a list box opens showing matching filenames. If there are .ini, .chm etc. files with the same name, it is more difficult to pick the .vdm file.
Thus, it would be nice to be able to move these to some other directory.

I think the first thing to do would be to create String Values / ConfigStrings for the new directories (at least for the most important ones). For now, they could be set to point to to those directories that are used now.

Some other config strings could be introduced at the same time. Especially, I would like to see the PROJ_HOME directory setting so that project specific settings etc. could be stored to project specific directory. And also the string value for file type specific double-click event macro name.

--
Pauli

Topic:	Re: Suggest new VEDIT subdirectories (18 of 19), Read 22 times
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From:	Ted Green
Date:	Wednesday, July 01, 2009 02:36 PM

At 11:26 AM 7/1/2009, vedit-info Listmanager wrote:
>From: "Pauli Lindgren"
>
>On 2/9/2008 12:04:34 AM, Ted Green wrote:
>> Now that VEDIT 6.15.2 is
>> released, I am working on both
>> 6.16 and 6.20.
>> For 6.20 I would like to add
>> some new /vedit/directories to
>> reduce the number of files in
>> /vedit and organize things
>> better.
>> In particular I would like to
>> put the (computer) language
>> specific files into a
>> subdirectory. I am all ears to
>> your suggestions;
>
>Has there been any development with the idea of adding new directories?

Yes, my preliminary 6.20 code has a Project_Drive and a Project_Path directory. I implemented these last year according to our discussion.

I will review our previous discussions about this soon.

As I mentioned, I am currently updating both the 6.15 release and the new code. Once I document the new code features, I will place both vpw.exe and vpw620.exe files on the website.
But the current priority is getting out a release with all the nicely improved macros.

Ted.