Topic: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (1 of 12), Read 107 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: John Slattery
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 02:32 PM

I am having some trouble installing Vedit Plus v6.01.2 DOS on Win2K SP2. I run vpa-prod.exe from a directory on a local hard drive, select DOS, a cmd session opens, momentarily a message stating what I think is "Cannot load VDM IPX/SPX support" flashes by before I can really see the whole thing (I do not have IPX installed on the PC), the DOS installation starts, I elect to install in c:\progra~1\vedit, provide my serial number, elect to transfer config, accept the provided paths for vedit.cfg and vedit.key, elect to overwrite an existing installation, elect to overwrite the files in .\old, and then see the following:

**********
#2 Command mode
ĘU saved config files, but overwrites the current config files. ĘU
ĘU (This is usually the best choice. ĘU
ĘU ĘU
ĘU [O] Overwrite any existing files in the ".\old" subdirectory. ĘU
ĘU This saves the current config files, but overwrites any ĘU
ĘU previously saved config files. ĘU
ĘU ĘU
ĘU [B] Backup to the previous step. ĘU
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ĘU Select which option? [K] [O] [B] ĘU
MACRO ERROR IN 100 - ĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘTĘa
NOT ENOUGH MEMORY FOR: Replace("^{.+}$","File_Move(\*\1\*,\*\@(5)\\\1\*,OK\+NOER
R)",REGEXP+BEGIN+ALL+NOERR)

*** ERROR ***
A problem occurred during installation!
(You may see an error message on the screen.)

You can either restart the installation or exit now.

[R] Restart Installation from the beginning
[E] Exit Installation

Select which option? [R] [E]

**********

Hope someone can help. Thanks.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (2 of 12), Read 96 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Ted Green
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 03:14 PM

At 02:32 PM 11/28/2001, you wrote:
>I am having some trouble installing Vedit Plus v6.01.2 DOS on Win2K SP2.

First of all, let me state that we DO NOT officially support the DOS version of VEDIT on WinNT/2000/XP !! We recommend against it, there are all kinds of limitations, we don't want to hear about problems and if you insist on installing it, you are on your own.

Just so that you know that is my OFFICIAL position.

Unofficially, I do personally install and test the DOS version extensively under Win2K.

The DOS version installation needs a DOS box with at least 500K of free conventional memory. If you have less than that, you can download vpd-prod.zip and run the INSTALL2.BAT file. This uses our V-SWAP software to install VEDIT with only 300K of free memory. Once installed, VEDIT runs fine with very little memory.

When I start a new DOS box under Win2K, I have 630K free conventional memory (out of a max possible 640k). This is because Win2K provides all network, CDROM and other driver support to each DOS box.

I suspect that if you give the "mem" command you will see much less than 600K free. Perhaps you have old 16-bit DOS drivers installed; sounds like you have old IPX network drivers installed into your DOS box.

In any case you have a "unique" problem not reported by anyone else under WinNT/2000/XP. I would start with the "mem" command and assuming it reports less than 600K of free conventional memory, determine why. Use "mem /d" to see a list of everything loaded into the DOS 640K memory space.

Unofficially, I would like to hear what you discover.

Ted.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (3 of 12), Read 100 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: John Slattery
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:02 AM

Install2.bat worked fine. I only have 570K free.

I am very new to Win NT/2000 and will have to look into how to optimize base RAM for DOS applications.

Thanks.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (4 of 12), Read 101 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Ted Green
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2001 12:21 PM

At 11:02 AM 11/29/2001, you wrote:
>Install2.bat worked fine. I only have 570K free.

Thank you for the update; glad you got it working.

Ted.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (5 of 12), Read 95 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Pauli Lindgren
Date: Monday, December 03, 2001 03:27 AM

On 11/28/2001 3:14:09 PM, Ted Green wrote:
>
>I suspect that if you give the
>"mem" command you will see
>much less than 600K free.
>Perhaps you have old 16-bit
>DOS drivers installed; sounds
>like you have old IPX network
>drivers installed into your
>DOS box.
>
>In any case you have a
>"unique" problem not reported
>by anyone else under
>WinNT/2000/XP. I would start
>with the "mem" command and
>assuming it reports less than
>600K of free conventional
>memory, determine why. Use
>"mem /d" to see a list of
>everything loaded into the DOS
>640K memory space.

That is not quite true. I reported the same problem twice, for the beta version and for version 6.01.2. The error occurs both on Windows 2000 and NT4. INSTALL2.BAT does not work either.

On my Windows 2000 system, MEM command reports 655360 bytes free, which is the absolute maximum.

The solution to the problem is that you do not transfer configuration. When transfer configuration option is not selected, the installation works just fine. Perhaps it is better to install DOS version in a separate directory so that you can still transfer configuration for the Windows version.

Of course, there is not much use for DOS version on Windows NT/2000, especially since the disk editing does not work there. However, it is nice to have a copy of DOS Vedit on a floppy disk so that you can use it any time on any system.

-- Pauli

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (6 of 12), Read 62 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2004 11:53 AM

On 12/3/2001 3:27:00 AM, Pauli Lindgren wrote:

>The solution to the problem is that you
>do not transfer configuration. When
>transfer configuration option is not
>selected, the installation works just
>fine. Perhaps it is better to install
>DOS version in a separate directory so
>that you can still transfer
>configuration for the Windows version.
>
>Of course, there is not much use for DOS
>version on Windows NT/2000, especially
>since the disk editing does not work
>there. However, it is nice to have a
>copy of DOS Vedit on a floppy disk so
>that you can use it any time on any
>system.

Thanks Pauli:


Your advice is just GREAT! I had a similar problem on my laptop running Win98. Your advice took care of it.In fact, this was the only thing that worked.

Now, I am looking forward to using the bug-free version of VEDIT_6.11.1.EXE announced by Ted in his Version 6.12/beta message at different conference.

Thanks again for your great advice. It really helped me out.

-peter.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (7 of 12), Read 52 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 07:56 PM

On 12/3/2001 3:27:00 AM, Pauli Lindgren wrote:

>The solution to the problem is that you
>do not transfer configuration. When
>transfer configuration option is not
>selected, the installation works just
>fine. Perhaps it is better to install
>DOS version in a separate directory so
>that you can still transfer
>configuration for the Windows version.
>
>Of course, there is not much use for DOS
>version on Windows NT/2000, especially
>since the disk editing does not work
>there. However, it is nice to have a
>copy of DOS Vedit on a floppy disk so
>that you can use it any time on any
>system.

Pauli,

I did some more experiments with the just released VEDIT_6.12.1.EXE program, on my laptop running Win98-SE:

First I did install it in my C:\VEDIT directory, which has VPW_6.12.1.EXE and transferred the configuration files.
I could startup VEDIT_6.12.1.EXE, however, I could not close the program due to a "not enough memory message".


Installing VEDIT_6.12.1 into a new directory, as per your suggestion, did solve the problem!


Since the distribution file READ-DOS.TXT suggests to install both versions of Vedit into the same directory, I created a C:\VEDIT\DOS directory. Then I moved the VEDIT_6.12.1.EXE related files into this newly created directory. With this arrangement, the DOS and Windows versions of Vedit share the same supporting files as per the original suggestion, with the exception of VEDIT.CFG. In other words, this installation is pretty close to the suggested one.

Finally, I realized that my problem came from my STARTUP.VDM file, which I use in VPW_6.12.1. So, I copied my VEDIT.CFG file from my C:\VEDIT directory, into the C:\VEDIT\DOS directory and disabled USTRTUP.VDM in it. This seems to work fine. In particular, I can shell out to DOS and can run the Win98/DOS MEM command. It reported 218K free conventional memory. If in addition I also use VSWAP.EXE, it reports 589K free conventional memory.

Incidentally, do you still remember, which configuration parameter caused the memory problem in your installation? Do I remember correctly: you do not use USTARTUP.VDM?

Thanks again for a great suggestion!

-peter.



Creating a new C:\VEDIT\DOS directory, disabling USTARTUP.VDM in the VEDIT.CFG file and moving the edited file and everything worked just fine.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (8 of 12), Read 48 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Pauli Lindgren
Date: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:19 AM

Today, I tried to install Vedit 6.12.1 DOS version on NT4 sytem. It didn't work.

I think it was Vedit version 6.0, when the transfer configuration stopped working. Around the same time, Vedit DOS installation stopped working on 4DOS, but I could still install on normal DOS window or by clicking the INSTALL.BAT on a folder.

Now, the installation of DOS version does not work, no matter how I do it.
I have tried it from DOS window and by clicking on a folder.
I tried Quick installation option, product installation with and without transferring configuration, installing over the Windows version and in the separate directory.

When I use INSTALL.BAT, the files are extracted, but then I get VSWAP error and the installation stops.
When I use INSTALL2.BAT, the installation stops before even extracting the files, with error message "Not enough resources".

On the other hand, I wonder if we really need to install the DOS version. Does the DOS version need anything else than copying the VEDIT.EXE file in the Vedit directory? (After that, it is good idea to set the Config -> Misc -> Keyboard polling to 1.) At least it seems to work that way.

--
Pauli

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (9 of 12), Read 54 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Ted Green
Date: Thursday, June 03, 2004 10:50 AM

At 10:19 AM 6/3/2004, you wrote:
>Today, I tried to install Vedit 6.12.1 DOS version on NT4 sytem. It didn't work.

I have stated previously that the DOS version is now "unsupported".

The DOS version does not work properly under Windows NT/2000/XP.

The upcoming VEDIT 6.20 will not be supplied with the DOS version.

The DOS VEDIT 6.11 did not install under WinXP.
I did test that the DOS VEDIT 6.12 installs under Windows 98, 2000 and XP.

Sorry, but the DOS version is now unsupported. No assistance will be
given.

Ted.


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Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (11 of 12), Read 55 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 05:55 PM

On 6/3/2004 10:50:39 AM, Ted Green wrote:

>I did test that the DOS VEDIT
>6.12 installs under Windows
>98, 2000 and XP

Thanks Ted:

-peter.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (10 of 12), Read 54 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Peter Rejto
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 05:38 PM

On 6/3/2004 10:19:37 AM, Pauli Lindgren wrote:

Pauli,

Thanks for sharing this information with me.


>Today, I tried to install
>Vedit 6.12.1 DOS version on
>NT4 sytem. It didn't work.

>On the other hand, I wonder if
>we really need to install the
>DOS version. Does the DOS
>version need anything else
>than copying the VEDIT.EXE
>file in the Vedit directory?
>(After that, it is good idea
>to set the Config -> Misc ->
>Keyboard polling to 1.) At
>least it seems to work that
>way.

I have been wondering about that too! Do I understand it correctly: The above procedure of copying VEDIT.EXE did work for you? Did you also copy the configuration file?
Did you try to install Version 5.1 ? I believe that in the version 6.12.1 announcement Ted said that he fixed a bug in VEDIT.EXE, which was there since Version 5.2.1.

Please keep me posted.

-peter.

 


Topic: Re: DOS Installation on Win2K SP2 Out of Memory (12 of 12), Read 60 times
Conf: Installation, Configuration
From: Ian Binnie
Date: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 08:31 PM

On 6/9/2004 5:38:37 PM, Peter Rejto wrote:
>On 6/3/2004 10:19:37 AM, Pauli Lindgren
>wrote:
>
>>On the other hand, I wonder if
>>we really need to install the
>>DOS version. Does the DOS
>>version need anything else
>>than copying the VEDIT.EXE
>>file in the Vedit directory?
>>(After that, it is good idea
>>to set the Config -> Misc ->
>>Keyboard polling to 1.) At
>>least it seems to work that
>>way.
>
>I have been wondering about that too! Do
>I understand it correctly: The above
>procedure of copying VEDIT.EXE did work
>for you? Did you also copy the
>configuration file?

In addition to copying VEDIT.EXE there is vphelp.hlp, VSWAP.EXE, VEDIT.ICO and a number of PIF files plus some batch files and chdir.vdm.

None of these is essential.

There may be minor changes to the config file.