Topic: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (1 of 8), Read 58 times
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Fritz Heberlein
Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 11:46 AM

Since I have installed WinNT i cannot copy to and from the Clipboard under VP-Dos anymore.
Is this a "feature" or have i missed some trick?
Fritz

 


Topic: Re: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (2 of 8), Read 56 times
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Ted Green
Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 11:54 AM

The DOS version does not clipboard or long filename support under NT and
never will. The DOS version also tends to use 100% of the CPU resource.
Therefore, you really should use the 32-bit Windows version under NT/2000.

Ted.

 


Topic: Re: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (3 of 8), Read 58 times
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Fritz Heberlein
Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 11:59 AM

>Therefore, you really should use the 32-bit Windows version under NT/2000.

I really would like to use it. But under VPWin, you can have either
umlauts or fancy box drawing, but not both. That's the (or rather: my)
problem.
Fritz

 


Topic: Re: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (4 of 8), Read 59 times
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Ted Green
Date: Monday, February 28, 2000 01:03 PM

The Windows version defaults to the "OEM" font which has the same
character set as the DOS version. Or you use the "ANSI" font for
better compatibility with other Windows programs.

Assuming you are using the OEM font, the Windows version should
give you the same characters as the DOS version.

Ted.

 


Topic: Re: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (6 of 8), Read 62 times, 1 File Attachment
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Pauli Lindgren
Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 05:30 AM

On 2/28/00 7:02:29 PM, Ted Green wrote:
>Sorry for my ignorance of
>non-US computers. Evidently
>your DOS uses a different
>character set than the US
>IBM-PC "OEM" character
>set.

The problem is not the font, but the keyboard.
On Windows NT, the keyboard always sends ANSI characters, regardless of the font.

You can partially fix this by using a translation table. I made such table, DOS.TBL, and sent it to Ted quite a while ago. I will attach it on this post. Essentially, it is like ANSI.TBL, but works on the opposite direction.

To use the table:
1. "Block" -> "Edit" -> "Load translate table", then select DOS.TBL.
2. Set "Config" -> "Characters/Cursor" -> "Screen display mode" to 32

You must have one of ANSI fonts in use.
Now you can edit DOS text on Windows. However, you can not use line drawing characters since those are not available in ANSI font. You can enter the line drawing characters by switching back to OEM font and then using the Box Drawing macro.

The problem with the translation table is that it translates both the characters coming from keyboard and the displayed characters. I think this problem would be solved if you could enable the translation table separately for keyboard and display.

 
DOS.TBL (1KB)

 


Topic: Re: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (8 of 8), Read 58 times, 1 File Attachment
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Pauli Lindgren
Date: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 07:46 AM

I made a new conversion table DOSkey.tbl.
It differs from DOS.TBL in that only the first half of the table does conversion. The second half (DOS to ANSI) is 1:1 from the USER.TBL, i.e. it does not convert anything.

This way, the table converts the characters you type from the keyboard, but it does not convert characters for display.

Now you can use "Vedit OEM", "Terminal" or "MS Linedraw" font, which use original IBM-PC character set. Any accent characters you enter from keyboard are converted into IBM-PC character set, and you can use the line drawing characters, too.

Note that you can use "Block" -> "Edit/translate" -> "Translate to DOSkey"
to convert block of characters into DOS character set, but "Translate from DOSkey" has no effect.

-- Pauli

 
DOSKEY.TBL (1KB)

 


Topic: Re: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (5 of 8), Read 56 times
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Pauli Lindgren
Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 05:09 AM

On 2/28/00 11:54:49 AM, Ted Green wrote:
>The DOS version does not
>clipboard or long filename
>support under NT and never
>will. The DOS version also
>tends to use 100% of the CPU
>resource. Therefore, you
>really should use the 32-bit
>Windows version under
>NT/2000.

But if you have configured Vedit for NT, it uses 100% of resources only while you type.

Personally, I prefer using DOS version of Vedit when I am using a DOS window (or actually 4NT window) under NT. That is easier than it would be to start VPW and then find the correct directory.

The problem with DOS version of Vedit is that F-Secure gate keeper always performs virus check when I start Vedit. F-Secure seems to consider Vedit as a suspicious program (probably because of the disk sector edit functions) and runs some complex heuristic checks on it. That takes some 20 seconds on my Pentium 133MHz. (That problem does not exist on Windows version.)

- Pauli

 


Topic: Re: V-Dos and WinNT Clipboard (7 of 8), Read 52 times
Conf: Basic editing, Block operations
From: Ted Green
Date: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 09:21 AM


>Personally, I prefer using DOS version of Vedit when I am using a DOS
>window (or actually 4NT window) under NT. That is easier than it would be
>to start VPW and then find the correct directory.

Instead of typing "vedit filename", just type "vpw filename" to run the
Windows version. vpw takes all the same invocation options.

All the issues of the DOS version of VEDIT and NT were addressed many years
ago. As I said before, the DOS version does not work well under NT and we
DO NOT SUPPORT it.

Ted.